When will IA support pure IIS7?

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When will IA support pure IIS7?

Postby jps » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:36 pm

Will IA be rolling out a new release with pure IIS7 support soon?
please take a look at this link:
http://www.installaware.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3467

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Postby CandiceJones » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:18 pm

Certainly, as part of the next few updates...
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Postby jps » Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:57 pm

I just tried IA7 R2, it doesn't support pure IIS yet. Could you give a rough schedule when pure IIS7 will be supported please?

Thx.

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Postby CandiceJones » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:16 am

This should be coming very soon.
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Postby Dana Epp » Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:01 am

Ok Candice,

Could we PLEASE get some real guidance on this. I have been waiting for this for two years, paid for an update we didn't need in which I was told it would work, and MISSED the Windows Server 2008 certification deadline we had with Microsoft BECAUSE of InstallAware. Unanswered emails to you, 3 open emails/cases which HAVEN'T been addressed in regards to this, and a few bugs reported to explain some of the current behaviour that wasn't working.

We keep getting told it's coming. WHEN??? IIS7 is now a core component of our clients deployment, and we have to use a bastardized custom batch script to get it installed. Nowhere near as elegant as our Windows Server 2003 installer that handles IIS6 with Installaware.

All your serious competitors have working IIS7 install points. Could we PLEASE get this addressed so we can deliver to our customers. As a loyal customer of yours since back in 2002 when Sinan ran things, I am at my wits end. If we can't get clear guidance on just when and how it will work, I will be forced to ask for a refund and take a competitive upgrade with someone like InstallShield. They apparently WANT our business.

I apologize if I come across rude, but I have been quite patient. Your delays have already cost me over $12,000 in certification costs on Windows Server 2008 which doesn't bold well, plus the lost opportunity costs from not getting to be part of the Microsoft marketing program during the Windows Server 2008 launch event that we WERE supposed to be part of. I simply can't afford to wait another year for you guys to get a properly working mechanism so we can deliver our Web Services and Web Applications on both 32bit and 64bit Windows Server 2008 running IIS7 WITHOUT IIS6 compatibility mode.

Please give us clear guidance and timelines on when this is all going to work.

Dana Epp
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Scorpion Software Corp.
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Postby jps » Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:28 pm

Dana, good complaint.

Our company has been holding on cash buying IA in hand for a long while waitting for this feature since we were told "it's coming soon".

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Postby CandiceJones » Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:32 pm

Hi Dana,

We're famous for supporting all the newest Microsoft technology frameworks in 48 hours of their original release - and with better compression at that - so you could cut us some slack here.

The problem with the IIS7 delays is that there doesn't appear to be a COM API which can work reliably without requiring .NET or command line scripting. Please correct us if we're wrong...
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Postby Dana Epp » Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:34 am

Hey Candice,

I have been giving you guys slack. IIS7 was originally released with Vista two years ago. At that time you guys told me it would be working; I later found out ONLY if we had IIS6 compat mode enabled. Even after that was done, it STILL didn't work. I have an open bugs relating to that fact still.

Since then, Windows Server 2008 has now been officially released for months. And we still don't have support. And by your response, it sounds like there hasn't been a lot of progress on that side of things.

Instead of pointing fingers, lets work together to figure out what the problem is. If I read your response right, why can't you guys use the new management APIs? IIS7 exposes a much cleaner interface for managing the IIS metabase with the Microsoft.Web.Administration namespace. One of the best articles that could help you guys includes sample code on how to actually ADD all the stuff your installer does. You can read it at:

http://learn.iis.net/page.aspx/165/how- ... istration/

If you are bound to NOT use managed code, then your developers should be using the IIS7 SDK which provides native interfaces. You can read the "IIS Native-Code Administration API Reference" at http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa347507(VS.85).aspx. By the way, there is tonnes of other articles on "Ahadmin" if you check Google. A few resources that might help include:

* http://blogs.iis.net/ksingla/archive/20 ... art-1.aspx

* http://blogs.iis.net/ksingla/archive/20 ... art-2.aspx

* http://blogs.iis.net/ksingla/archive/20 ... nager.aspx

That last one might be a big help, as it discusses the exposure of COM APIs through MWA to do what you need.

Past that, I would recommend you guys spend the $300 and open a dev case with Microsoft PSS and get the answer. If you need native access to the API and can't use the managed functions, then you need to communicate your needs to Microsoft.

To be clear, last fall I offered you guys the opportunity to work with us and Microsoft to resolve this BEFORE the Windows Server 2008 launch. At that time, Microsoft was offering all installer vendors extra support to ensure products would be ready for the launch. I am afraid that opportunity has now passed, but I am sure I could reach out to my circle of influence at Microsoft to get you some help if you are really stuck. I want to see InstallAware continue to be a great product servicing the latest languages and operating systems provided by Microsoft. I have invested way too much money, time and effort to abandon you guys now.

I have given you more than enough resources to get started. If you need more help, please ask. Although I won't do the work for you (I have my own stuff to worry about), I can definitely ensure you guys are talking to the right people if you aren't right now.

Let's get this resolved. There are a few different APIs to let you manipulate the IIS7 system both in managed and native code. Your Vista and Windows Server 2008 clients need this to work. Please let us know when we can expect to see it.
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Postby jps » Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:34 am

Hey Candice,

"We're famous for supporting all the newest Microsoft technology frameworks in 48 hours of their original release"

"The problem with the IIS7 delays is that there doesn't appear to be a ..."

the 2nd contradicts the 1st.

And if you ask me, the 2nd is a bad excuse. What's IA's job?

I recommended IA over IS to my company months ago, and now all team are looking at me.
I had to look back at IS again, and am reinventing the wheel in IS. I'm getting a liitle grouchy.

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Postby CandiceJones » Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:52 pm

Hi Dana,

Many thanks for your constructive criticism.

Can you please email me privately so I can put you in touch with the developer in charge of this? If you don't have my email address, just PM me.
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Postby CandiceJones » Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:37 pm

We should have a testing version of native IIS7 support via AhAdmin sometime later this week. Thank you all for your patience and support so far.
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Postby CandiceJones » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:50 am

If you'd like to receive a beta build of InstallAware for use in testing the new IIS7 functionality, please drop me a note! This beta is now open.
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Postby CandiceJones » Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:58 am

The current updated 7.9 version has resolved this issue. Thank you all for your patience, and help with testing this new functionality.

We'll continue to improve InstallAware to meet all your setup authoring requirements now and in the future :D
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Postby Dana Epp » Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:19 pm

Hey Candice,

I just want to publicly thank you for being open and listening to our feedback to solve this issue. IIS7 support is finally here, and I know my team appreciates the efforts.

Getting to work with you and your team over the last two weeks to find the appropriate technology and ensure it works as we expect has been a very good investment of our time. Your team has been very responsive, in most times having fixes for issues we found in a matter of hours. That says something to your commitment to the process, and I thank you for letting us be part of this process.

I have to say at one point I had lost confidence in how InstallAware was originally handling this issue. I was evaluating InstallShield in parallel, and I am happy to say that after seeing you take serious steps to resolve our concerns, I continue to stay loyal to InstallAware. It is a great product, and you have once again shown your commitment to your clients and the industry you serve.

Thank you very much.

To everyone in the InstallAware community, I recommend you get 7.9 if you need IIS7 support. I can confirm it works as intended, delivering the ability to install web applications natively on Windows Server 2008 and Vista.
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Postby jps » Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:01 am

great news


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